Clarification and Reminder on Inappropriate Workshop Content in Tower Unite

Hey,

This response is in regard to several of the above comments. I hope you all understand that inappropriate sexualization is a difficult issue to elaborate on in what was intended to be a concise clarification of our rules, and that is because sexualization is complicated.

To elaborate on “over-exaggeration,” models which are uploaded to our game involve caricaturizations which are intended to represent bodies in a stylized fashion, and the proportions of these can be exaggerated in a way that, combined with other factors such as exposed skin, sexual language in referring to the model in the description, or, for example, modeled genitalia, can make us believe the model is inappropriate for our game.

We are not going to delete every single model that has large breasts or large hips. Again, and as was the intent of the way the examples were worded, models which draw a lot of attention to these features through over-exaggeration, especially if they are combined with other clarifications we’ve listed, are models which can concern us, and lead us to assess the model for inappropriateness as they always have been.

In regard to the comments on bathing suits, I mentioned in the Discord that we are not deleting models wearing bathing suits because that is not inappropriate for our game, but if some models in bathing suits expose skin in a way that we deem offensive or inappropriate, then we will. In regard to comments on fetishes, the clarification states that we will remove models which “clearly allude” to sexual fetishes, as in where it is apparent to us, as reasonable people.

In case this was not clear, we often discuss concerning models with other people on our team before removing them, and we moderate the Workshop when we have the time and as we get reports.

If players see models that they deem inappropriate on their own, and report them, we can take a look. As was stated in the original post, we already have marked several models as inappropriate in the past or have had some brief discussions on Discord with community members about these issues, and those people have time to remove the models on their own.

The clarifications in the original post are guidelines we use when assessing whether or not we find a model to be inappropriate, and they are rules for users to use when uploading models and deciding whether or not they are uploading inappropriate sexual content because there have been issues with that in the past.

As we’ve been saying on Discord frequently, all we can ask is that you all use your best judgement on if you think something is inappropriate and violates these rules when uploading it to the Workshop, and consider whether or not you have uploaded something that is inappropriate in the past if you don’t want to worry about Steam’s temporary ban.

As was also said on the Discord, we aren’t trying to be draconian about this. All we want is for Tower Unite to be a place where users feel comfortable and respected by their fellow players while they enjoy playing games, building, and hanging out.

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To add to what wheezwer said, these are rules/guidelines that we have always used to moderate Workshop in the past.

As was stated in the original post, we are just clarifying and explaining them as the only major change is we no longer mark items as inappropriate and now will remove them from Workshop.

The same goes for “avoiding political, historical elements”. This particular rule is to keep people from uploading overtly offensive items with political or historical context that can lead to hate speech.

We aren’t going to go through and destroy hundreds of Workshop addons that have been uploaded in the past. We are just clarifying the rules that we’ve been using already so that players can report models more and that workshop creators are aware of the type of content they should be allowed to upload.

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Question, does this also go for any workshop condos that are published?
And what are the specified rules regarding non workshop-published condos yet publicly accessible that still contain lewd imagery, like a condo with said imagery that has been made public.

Workshop Condos have always had to follow the same rules. You cannot have any sexual content in your uploaded Workshop Condo, which includes any canvases.

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What about the non workshop-published condos? Like, someone has a lewd condo and they just opened it up to the public in a server.

There’s been plenty of these in the past.

condos aren’t moderated unless they’re uploaded to the workshop

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Gotcha.
I imagine later on, they’ll have something where you need to tag your condo as NSFW before opening it if it has such content.
Even if we have the option to turn on canvas whitelists.

All and all, this seems pretty good.

i completely agree to remove the items with the actual intention of hate speech, but adding “political and historical elements” itself doesn’t instantly end up hate speech.

just taking the Trump and Biden as an example, “Trump/Biden is garbage” might be hate speech but “I support Trump/Biden” isn’t.

for a teen-friendly game, i believe, at a moderate level and isn’t straight-up disrespecting anyone, controversial topics like religion, politics, and history should stay to encourage individual and critical thinking. for instance, furry haters and supporters, you can’t say that user having a furry model alone is disrespecting the others, it would become a form of dichotomy if just wearing a furry model was a sin.

not to be offensive talking about this, but i have a strong feeling that Chinese censorship is mandating here.

at least you should explain your clarification in the sample models, rather than just texts. otherwise, it is too vague like @Kirby has said.

Political discourse is important and good, but I don’t think Tower Unite is the place that’s going to truly advance anyone’s political views or understanding. If it honestly was the case that political discourse (when it happens) was reasonable and productive in-game then maybe this would be a different discussion. As it stands, it has always devolved into flame wars, trolling, abuse, etc. when we see it in lobby/global chat thus we don’t allow it. There’s also the fact that if we were to allow these kinds of topics and content, our own personal political biases could come into play for the moderation that still needs to happen, so for that reason too it’s simply not worth the effort.

At the end of the day, if you truly feel the need to discuss politics with other users, you can still do so in your personal condos. Especially in today’s political climate, a lot of people are already having these discussions frequently and are bombarded with often harshly opposing views, so being able to hop in the lobby, ballrace, or so on, is often a welcome moment of peace for a lot of people.

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In regard to the comments on bathing suits, I mentioned in the Discord that we are not deleting models wearing bathing suits because that is not inappropriate for our game, but if some models in bathing suits expose skin in a way that we deem offensive or inappropriate, then we will. In regard to comments on fetishes, the clarification states that we will remove models which “clearly allude” to sexual fetishes, as in where it is apparent to us, as reasonable people.

Does the same go for underwear as well, or only for bathing suits? As Kirby said, they’re often pretty interchangeable. The example I gave on Steam was that in Spongebob’s games, pants are often used as a comedic damage meter. When he takes damage, he winds up in his briefs. It’s just for laughs and isn’t sexual, so would that be left on the Workshop or removed?

I’m not planning to upload a Spongebob underwear model, by the way, that was just an example for the sake of clarification.

Also, as a note, I think ultimately the vague rules coupled with the ban ultimatum are going to lead to many models that would otherwise be considered acceptable, being removed by the uploaders for fear of receiving a temporary ban. The overall wording probably should have been refined more before being posted to Steam with a threat and a rather short time limit. A better way to go would have been to post the rules and see if everybody understands them, then take what was revealed in that thread and put a more clarified version of the rules on Steam with at least a week to comply.

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Underwear and swim wear are two different types of clothing. Underwear has different implications than swim wear. It is generally seen as inappropriate for underwear to be visible. Underwear can also more easily have sexual implications. While underwear can be used for humor, it is not in our interest or our priorities to spend the time further specifying which presentations of “models only wearing underwear” are acceptable or not. They will be removed if reported as inappropriate, and, while more likely less of a priority compared to other points on the list, they will be removed if we find them ourselves. These are our rules, and we will go about enforcing them as we always have. It’s good to hear your feedback, and we will continue discussing this among our team, though we are satisfied with the rules we’ve set out on this subject.

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We are an independently owned company and we have no ties to the Chinese government.

If you re-read my statement on the rule for politics and religion, I explained that the rule is for uploads that “can lead to hate speech”. Context is important in deciding what is allowed, which is why we have in the past said to avoid uploading political or religious content as it could become an issue.

Also, as @Sketchman covered, Tower has always been a place for people to not worry about politics or real world debates that can be stressful to others.

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Women’s underwear and bikinis are incredibly similar and there are certain styles I could show where you wouldn’t be able to tell which is which. Furthermore, both forms of attire reveal the exact same amount of skin. Actually, swimsuits often reveal even more.

So basically I can just claim a model that’s in underwear is wearing a bathing suit… I could even re-texture it to have a pattern that’s more associated with a bathing suit like floral and no one would be able to tell the difference.

If our moderation team can’t determine the difference between underwear and swimsuit a model is using and it’s revealing in such a way that violates our rules, then it’ll be subject to internal discussion and possible removal. Context also matters as well, if it’s clearly a swimsuit, it’s clearly a swimsuit. We use our best judgement and decisions are made case by case.

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I’ve already seen this happening a little. Someone whose made several playermodels of Xenoblade characters (which is a T rated game series mind you) removed the default version of Mythra from Xenoblade 2 because of this.

It leads me to wonder if some models from other T rated games with somewhat but not extremely revealing outfits might get axed? I know there are some designs kinda “out there” like hers but probably not as obscenely revealing as models from much more cruder sources.

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Personally if I may throw in my extra 2 cents, I would like to point out that at the utmost, Context is what matters here. Regardless of intention, a model that is Contextually from a sfm or mmd porn film is not appropriate for tower and clearly shows details of exaggerated proportions or other inappropriate details that help Identify that context. Take a Haydee model for instance. That model is clearly meant to be a fetishistic model, and while it may have been nothing more than a gag, it still bothers me somewhat to see it.

On the other hand, if someone uploads a model of say, Ann Takamaki in a bikini, then that’s fine, as the context of that model is that it’s from a Game and is not designed to be fetishistic.

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I’d also like to point out that there are several models made by a Porn Artist by the name of Skuddbutt on the workshop now, and while none of them have any hidden lewd details, one has to consider if their origin makes them inappropriate or if each model needs to be looked over individually.

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I’ve already been told this is going to affect me, so I have to go off. Sorry, not sorry.

Can you really expect anyone to read this and take it seriously? “Implications”?!

The object here was to supposedly lay down the rules once and for all, but now I’ve seen a lot of back-peddling on the entire topic, boiling it back down to “Well, just use your best discretion.”

Okay, then. Here’s my discretion:
As someone who’s been putting stuff up on the workshop since the feature was brand spanking new, and someone who uploads nothing political, neither weird furry OCs, nor saucy anime girls, I’ve been hit with workshop bans and I’ve come to not trust the judgement behind it.

The first instance was for my upload of a model of Billy Herrington. Went up right around midnight, just over two years ago.

And it was marked in less than 3 hours later…

Alright, maybe a thonged-up jockstrap was little too cheeky. And you know what? Fair enough! I get it. Who wants that much exposed man-ass running around their game? I even asked for advise on how to keep it.
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And so I did, and there it has remained happily and undisturbed for TWO. YEARS.
https://i.imgur.com/mSkPm0t.png

Oh, and just a fun side-note, this naked model of the Undertale goat that I’m, like, 90% certain was made for SFM porn, except with it’s dick smoothed off, but bare ass still fully present, was uploaded the same week and remains up, seemingly uncontested, to this day.

And hey, here’s another one. This BBW gut-hanging, paw-print-nipple-having, striped thigh-high wearing furry THING had the progress of it’s creation detailed with screenshots on the official TU Discord workshop channel over the course of several weeks, and was met with some tremendously negative reactions (and a specific, grossly horny, positive one), so it either SOMEHOW escaped noticed, or is considered acceptable.


And just to clarify, my goal here isn’t to point out all these models I don’t like to get them banned. I have a functioning brain, so I know how to use the block button if I see something that offends my sensibilities that much. My point is to show that this is the environment that your workshop contributors are in when they’re told to use their best judgement on what’s considered acceptable.

Anyway, back to my accounts.

With my boy, Billy’s safety seemingly secure, I knew almost instantly something I wanted to make when the Accelerate workshop got announced. A bike referencing the popular video Ultimate Muscle Roller Legend: Steam Community :: Error
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And so far, it’s seems wildly popular, more than I ever expected! It’s the most upvoted vehicle on the entire workshop by a HUGE margin. And as the guy who put it there, I can tell you that it’s the exact same model and edited textures (sans some mere color changes) that I used for the less-risque player model that has been up for two years. And only now am I being told that it’s deemed inappropriate?

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I’m sorry, WHAT? Because the likeness implied by the model, whose name isn’t even in the title of the workshop or video, has a sexual past? Are you serious? This has already been up for nearly two and a half months, so what is someone like me supposed to think when they read that “these are rules/guidelines that we have always used to moderate Workshop in the past”?, cause it’s certainly not “Well, at least the don’t INTEND to be “draconian”!”

Here. These are the metrics I get to see. Look at how ‘uncomfortable’ everyone is:


And for kicks, here’s the player model’s stats too:
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I understand this rant is a lot of effort and passion going into defending the funny underwear man, but I feel like the decision to possibly remove it is anything but a holistic judgement, given these circumstances, and I know that I’m not going to be the only one feeling this way.

And the expectation that I better remove it myself? Look how many commendations the community gave me over it. I don’t get paid to do this, and I haven’t bought a new game on Steam all year and this gave me enough of those new points to buy all sorts of profiles, background, and what not. I’ll just have to take the ban cause I’m treasuring this.
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And hey, if you wanna get really, REALLY technical and nit-picky about my particular scenario, workshop vehicles are only visible in Accelerate games, which are player hosted instances, and that’s been the same logic used for leaving condos un-moderated. A nice way to have your cake and eat it too.

So yeah. Not happy.

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