# Didnt there used to be First person arms? **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [April 29, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/didnt-there-used-to-be-first-person-arms/47621 "2023-04-29T14:58:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Affixated](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/user_avatar/forums.pixeltailgames.com/affixated/32/77110_2.png) [@Affixated](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/u/Affixated)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/didnt-there-used-to-be-first-person-arms/47621/1 "2023-04-29T14:58:35Z")
I cant seem to figure out when but at some point you could see first person arms in games like virus, did it get removed for simplicity of workshop models? ![image](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/uploads/default/original/3X/c/b/cb5b133955a4075d04a51f2e47994822bdba0279.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![smoldab](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/user_avatar/forums.pixeltailgames.com/smoldab/32/65501_2.png) [@smoldab](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/u/smoldab)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/didnt-there-used-to-be-first-person-arms/47621/2 "2023-04-29T16:51:40Z")
Yeah. They got removed in [Update 0.9.1.0](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/update-0-9-1-0/37576) because that way it wouldn’t matter what the first person hands looked like no matter what model you used. ---
**Author:** ![Affixated](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/user_avatar/forums.pixeltailgames.com/affixated/32/77110_2.png) [@Affixated](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/u/Affixated)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/didnt-there-used-to-be-first-person-arms/47621/3 "2023-04-29T16:53:29Z")
aw man, it’d be really cool if they atleast kept them for the base game models fsetrfhnjwsrfhgb ---
**Author:** ![ToxicBoo](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/user_avatar/forums.pixeltailgames.com/toxicboo/32/16253_2.png) [@ToxicBoo](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/u/ToxicBoo)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/didnt-there-used-to-be-first-person-arms/47621/4 "2023-04-29T17:42:30Z")
Yeah at least in virus I kinda wish they just kept the generic gloved first person arms; maybe it could be a toggleable option? ---
**Author:** ![Affixated](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/user_avatar/forums.pixeltailgames.com/affixated/32/77110_2.png) [@Affixated](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/u/Affixated)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/didnt-there-used-to-be-first-person-arms/47621/5 "2023-04-29T17:45:38Z")
wouldve been cute to run around with milk box arms ---
**Author:** ![rythian](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/user_avatar/forums.pixeltailgames.com/rythian/32/83765_2.png) [@rythian](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/u/rythian)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/didnt-there-used-to-be-first-person-arms/47621/6 "2023-04-29T17:58:44Z")
I’d really like if first person arms were brought back with more customizable features, like different arm models you could choose from or even workshop viewmodel arms or something. All of the first person weapon animations just feel kinda weird without them. ---
**Author:** ![Niz](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/user_avatar/forums.pixeltailgames.com/niz/32/11685_2.png) [@Niz](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/u/Niz)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/didnt-there-used-to-be-first-person-arms/47621/7 "2023-04-29T19:49:27Z")
As someone who spent dozens of hours in Timesplitters 2, no-arms personally doesn’t bother me, especially compared to what we previously had. They were unsightly, often inadequately animated, only took the form of a pasty human’s, and had a lot of visual inconsistencies between various weapons. Also, I bet it probably saves a lot of time implementing new first-person items. I would really rather they stay gone if the alternative is returning to how it was before. _HOWEVER_, if they were to be improved some day… > [@Can we get some consistent, ambiguous view model hands please?](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/can-we-get-some-consistent-ambiguous-view-model-hands-please/32478): > > Go ahead and file this one super far down on the priority list, but perhaps one of my biggest gripes, as far as visuals go, is that first person hands are extremely inconsistent and “immersion breaking”, if immersion can even exists in this kind of game. This first became a big problem for me when skeleton player models were added. Finally, I get to be a fully animated model that doesn’t look like an awkward teenager. But what did you see in first person?.. STILL PASTY WHITE HANDS. And they ne… ---
**Author:** ![macdguy](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/user_avatar/forums.pixeltailgames.com/macdguy/32/3448_2.png) [@macdguy](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/u/macdguy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/didnt-there-used-to-be-first-person-arms/47621/8 "2023-04-30T07:39:32Z")
We removed the Virus first person arms to be more retro but also because the hands didn’t match your player model. We’re currently improving our weapon system for SDNL and we have some promising plans for the first person hands with workshop support. ---
**Author:** ![Acejinjo](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/user_avatar/forums.pixeltailgames.com/acejinjo/32/75637_2.png) [@Acejinjo](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/u/Acejinjo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/didnt-there-used-to-be-first-person-arms/47621/9 "2023-08-16T21:38:28Z")
Hopefully there’s an option to be toggleble for others that do. I like no arms feature. Huge fan of Timesplitters series for this reason! ---
**Author:** ![Affixated](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/user_avatar/forums.pixeltailgames.com/affixated/32/77110_2.png) [@Affixated](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/u/Affixated)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.pixeltailgames.com/t/didnt-there-used-to-be-first-person-arms/47621/10 "2023-08-25T14:21:16Z")
true, i really liked being able to run around with a hovering gun in gmod and stuff lol